Item 550 17-JUN-94 22:31 Jonathan Hayes That's Life in the Inferno of Postmodernity! 1156 Discussion responses 550:1) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:32 This is incredible. - - - - - 550:2) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:33 it's very sad. - - - - - 550:3) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:33 They are reading his letter, psychoanalyzing him, and following him in a copter on 1010 WINS. - - - - - 550:4) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:34 don't you think they'll run out of gas soon? - - - - - 550:5) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:34 This is SO fucked-up! I'm watching an almost invisible image obscured by snow, while listening to some psychiatrist on 1010 WINS doing a live evaluation as to whether or not OJ will go ahead and off himself. - - - - - 550:6) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:36 i diddn't even know who he was before yesterday. - - - - - 550:7) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:36 I think it fasinating that this banal image, a white car moving down an empty road, should be so rivetting. - - - - - 550:8) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:36 You're right Jaze -- this is the I of PM at its most bizzare and fascinating...This hero is self-destructing live on CNN... I keep thinking of Lee Harvey Oswald getting shot on Sunday morning tv. - - - - - 550:9) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:36 It's like foreplay. - - - - - 550:10) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:37 Great shot right now on CNN -- you can almost see into the car... Just heard they have a hostage negotiator standing by - - - - - 550:11) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:38 i don't think he's self destructing. it's very upsetting. - - - - - 550:12) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:38 The radio is now nothing but a series of highway numbers and offramps and intersections. - - - - - 550:13) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:38 Interesting tidbit: they traced him via a call he made on the car phone - - - - - 550:14) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:39 No, I think TWang means OJ as Hero. The Hero IS self-destructing. - - - - - 550:15) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:40 i don't think that. i think he's sort of heroic now, in a sad way. i mean most people watching will be so pleased if he gets to his mothers house and it will seem a heroic act. i haven't expressed myself right. this is so bizarre. i wish he had email in the car. - - - - - 550:16) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:40 Now THAT's the Inferno at its hottest. Traced cellular phone-calls. Fox is running a newsmagazine style recap of the story as it broke over the week, but keeping the highway shots in a bottom corner window. - - - - - 550:17) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:41 No, Ann, most people are wanting him to A) Shoot himself B) Die in a fiery crash like in a movie C) Be shot by the Police. If he's shot by the Police, THEN he'll be a hero. - - - - - 550:18) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:42 do you know the guy on CNN now Jaze? the forensic guy? - - - - - 550:19) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:42 Email in the Van--*that* is the next step. This is just so fuckin crazy! The TV movie is happening NOW! - - - - - 550:20) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:42 I think that Michael Baden was called in, the Medical Examiner. But I don't know who they have now. - - - - - 550:21) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:42 This a Made For TV Movie in the making! Danny Glover as OJ Brigett Neilsen as Nicole Bronson Pinchot as Goldman. - - - - - 550:22) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:42 well i want him to get to see his mother before they take him in. - - - - - 550:23) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:43 Damn, we almost lost the helicopter footage for a minute there while OJ drove past LAX -- they had to get around the flight patterns - - - - - 550:24) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:43 I do too, i guess. - - - - - 550:25) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:43 yup....michael baden....he's a forensic pathologist it says. - - - - - 550:26) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:43 This needs music- something dramatic and tragic. - - - - - 550:27) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:43 I'm waiting for a helicopter crash. The sky must be packed with them. Ah. Brentwood. Mom's place. THE DENOUEMENT. - - - - - 550:28) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:43 If it goes to trial he could get the death penalty. What is it in CA? Chair? Lethal injection? Gas chamber? - - - - - 550:29) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:44 Guacamole. - - - - - 550:30) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:44 they used gas last year in SF for the first time in years. - - - - - 550:31) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:44 They usually use acid in SF. - - - - - 550:32) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:45 i hope his mother is expecting him. his poor mother. - - - - - 550:33) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:45 I love the people who are running along the freeway and waving. - - - - - 550:34) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:45 They're interviewing the pathologist on FOX now. - - - - - 550:35) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:46 You think he would call first? Hello Ma? - - - - - 550:36) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:46 he's not even been found guilty yet. he may not have done it. - - - - - 550:37) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:46 Cool image on Fox - footage of OJ in his Football prime, running through a field of defenders, with the picture-in-picture showing the Suicide Bronc o. - - - - - 550:38) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:46 This chase ain't gonna help him come sentencing. but then again, i don't think this is going on much longer. - - - - - 550:39) viadyer 17-JUN-94 22:46 I believe that OJ Simpson should commit suicide. I believe this is a case of justifiable suicide. I will miss OJ in the Naked Gun movies. I feel horrible for the children. - - - - - 550:40) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:46 what number is Fox? - - - - - 550:41) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:47 Oh, DO get a grip, Ann! It isn't that he's guilty or innocent, it's that he's RUNNING! - - - - - 550:42) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:47 5, I think. - - - - - 550:43) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:47 FOX is channel 5. - - - - - 550:44) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:47 i want him to meet his mother before he commits suicide if he does so. - - - - - 550:45) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:47 I hope that OJ makes a detour from Brentwoood and nails this horrid radio psychiatrist. I wonder what they're listening to in the Suicide Bronco. - - - - - 550:46) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:48 What if he tries to off Mom? - - - - - 550:47) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:48 I hope they're not listening to the Radio Shrink. - - - - - 550:48) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:48 You know, this item is an historical document. - - - - - 550:49) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:48 what if it's someone else in the car? - - - - - 550:50) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:49 Thank God he did this while it was still light. - - - - - 550:51) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:49 Thay'll shoot 'em anyway - - - - - 550:52) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:49 i hope it is someone else in there and this is just to detract attention from his private reunion with his family. - - - - - 550:53) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:50 I think he'll cop a move from the Naked Gun Movies and fall out the back of the van. - - - - - 550:54) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:50 that made me laugh Jonathan.....damn....now i feel guilty. this is so very tragic. they're probably watching this all over the world live now. - - - - - 550:55) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:50 I hope that OJ has brought a cake and party favours for the family celebration. Ann, your optimism is charming. He's running because he stabbed his wife and her boyfriend. Took a knife and stuck it into them over and over again until they bled to death. - - - - - 550:56) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:50 I wonder if the white Bronco's a Hertz rent-a-car - - - - - 550:57) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:50 I thought that was last week. - - - - - 550:58) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:51 It probably hurts to die that way. - - - - - 550:59) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:51 Yeah -- I saw pictures of the crime scene -- it was pretty bloody - - - - - 550:60) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:51 he may not have done it, and it was an act of passion, something that has been excluded from the death penalty in many countries that do use it. - - - - - 550:61) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:52 Do you realize how BIG this is? It's so big that it's PRE-EMPTING COMMERCIALS. - - - - - 550:62) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:52 i don't want him to die. - - - - - 550:63) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:52 his friend in the car will be in big trouble too. - - - - - 550:64) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:52 I'm not saying his act isn't understandable, just that it's kind of cute that you are so anxious that he gets to participate in a group hug before they kill him. - - - - - 550:65) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:53 Maybe he could stab YOU out of it Ann. - - - - - 550:66) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:53 They found a bloody glove at his house afterwards -- suggesting it may have been planned. Also, he flew off to Chicago right afterwards, tried to establish an alibi there -- really sounds premeditated. OOH OOH! They're exiting the freeway now! - - - - - 550:68) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:53 well i did spend a year and a half in San Francisco. - - - - - 550:69) viadyer 17-JUN-94 22:53 He should take his own life, or spend the rest of his life in jail. He should pay the government's cost of this spectacle. , - - - - - 550:70) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:53 Good point GreenPig -- the fact that the footage is from a chopper is very significant. - - - - - 550:71) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:54 Great! More directions! I feel like I could drive from Orange County to Brentwood in my sleep. - - - - - 550:72) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:54 i don't think he should pay for it. this is what we pay taxes for. - - - - - 550:73) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:54 Also, the car is white -- very photogenic in the twilight hours. - - - - - 550:74) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:55 this is so painful - - - - - 550:75) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:55 AH! SO *THIS* IS WHY WE PAY TAXES! - - - - - 550:76) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:55 THEY BROUGHT IN A SWAT TEAM! - - - - - 550:77) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:55 How far do you think he would have got if he was some ordinary Joe? - - - - - 550:78) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:55 A SWAT Team? Now THAT's what we pay our taxes for! - - - - - 550:79) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:56 The radio guy started blabbing the SWAT tactics on air--mentioning the camoflagued snipers and right after saying he didn't wanna compromise security. The announcer interrupted him to go to the exit ramp. - - - - - 550:80) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:56 i don't understand why he hasn't run out of gas yet. that car looks like a gas guzzler. - - - - - 550:81) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:56 This is my new favorite item on Echo. - - - - - 550:82) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:56 It's running on OJ. - - - - - 550:83) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:56 are they anywhere near Sycamore St? does anyone know this? - - - - - 550:84) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:57 Well, that's where you're wrong, Ann! The Bronco gets a very reasonable 23mpg city and 30 mpg highway. - - - - - 550:85) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:57 MOM! I'm Hoooome! - - - - - 550:86) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 22:57 Ok, he's home now. - - - - - 550:87) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:57 Some other guy did this a year or two ago and offed himself. HE's THERE!!!! HE'S THERE!!!!!! - - - - - 550:88) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:57 This is it! The car has arrived at the house. - - - - - 550:89) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:57 I wonder what the camouflaged snipers wear in Brentwood. - - - - - 550:90) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:57 oh no.....where is his mother? i want them to meet NOW. it's not right. he needs to see her. i need to see my mother too. - - - - - 550:91) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 22:58 His son is dragged away.... - - - - - 550:92) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 22:58 The car is just sitting in front of his home. There are tons of sat trucks. - - - - - 550:93) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:58 Some dude tried to get an autograph. - - - - - 550:94) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:58 Nice shot of the Bronco. - - - - - 550:95) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:58 Ford's getting some great publicity here. - - - - - 550:96) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:58 if they don't let him see his mother i'm going to cry. - - - - - 550:97) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 22:59 Nah, that was his son i belive. - - - - - 550:98) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:59 Ann, you are CNN's ideal audience member - - - - - 550:99) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 22:59 Will you cry if they let him see his mother and then waste him? - - - - - 550:100) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 22:59 don't worry--did you see his mom jumop over the couch on that commercial for MCI? - - - - - 550:101) Ann 17-JUN-94 22:59 but i'm watching fox now. - - - - - 550:102) Twang 17-JUN-94 22:59 Wait -- this is OJ's house, not his mother's - - - - - 550:103) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:00 "Ford Bronco--good enough for a suicidal maniac, good enough for you!" - - - - - 550:104) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:00 She hangs at his place. - - - - - 550:105) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:00 Excuse me, but this is OJ's *ESTATE*. - - - - - 550:106) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:00 i've never seen him before. i didn't know who he was til yesterday. i will be upset if they kill him, but i won't cry. but if they don't let him see his mother i will have to get hysterical. - - - - - 550:107) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:00 THE FUGITIVE is on pay-per-view tonight, by coincidence - - - - - 550:108) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:00 Ch 2 has a ground shot. - - - - - 550:109) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:00 I fear that we are in for a boring wait now. He could be there forever before anything happens. - - - - - 550:110) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:00 Hah! Classic! - - - - - 550:111) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:01 Less than half an hour and over 100 responses! - - - - - 550:112) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:01 Yes -- great shot on channel 2 - - - - - 550:113) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:01 we all have to pray now. - - - - - 550:114) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:01 New Echo record, Dorje? - - - - - 550:115) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:01 You think he's got a bomb in his car? - - - - - 550:116) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:01 Some fucking Fourth Network THIS is! No fucking groundshot... - - - - - 550:117) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:02 Give him a mic and let HIM do the play by play. - - - - - 550:118) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:02 it's probably all just a side effect from his medication. - - - - - 550:119) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:02 OJ's on heavy medication, self-administered, they're saying - - - - - 550:120) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:02 A "lookie-loo"? - - - - - 550:121) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:03 Trout: HA!!!!!! - - - - - 550:122) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:03 i think his letter is rather charming. - - - - - 550:123) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:03 THAT "lookie-loo", my friend, is why we live in New York City, rather than in fucking California. - - - - - 550:124) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:03 Does he still have the gun to his head in the car. ? - - - - - 550:125) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:03 What does his letter say that charms, Ann? - - - - - 550:126) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:03 Boy, was Kurt Cobain a boring suicide. - - - - - 550:127) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:04 Twang: hah! - - - - - 550:128) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:04 Yeah, I can't really see him driving the A-Train to Far Rockaway. - - - - - 550:129) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:04 Kurt wasn't addicted to the TV coverage. A semiautomatic in his right hand, a "picture" in his left! - - - - - 550:130) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:04 He's outta the car! - - - - - 550:131) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:04 Maybe this is the suicide of this generation? If he does off himself, before cops do it for him. - - - - - 550:132) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:04 He got that picture from the new Elle. - - - - - 550:133) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:05 It's definitely the most colorful suicide lately - - - - - 550:134) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:05 Relax! It's OK! Negotiators have established Voice-to-Voice communication! - - - - - 550:135) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:05 it was very unpretentious, and it said to stay away from his kids, and that he was innocent. i think that is lovely. - - - - - 550:136) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:05 is his mother in the house? do we know? - - - - - 550:137) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:05 Yes, and if he off's himself people will be more inclines to think he's innocent. - - - - - 550:138) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:05 Hmmm, somewhat disingenous newscaster saying "They're trying to get him to relax, which is what we all want..." Bullshit! You can just hear that fucker salivating for the cumshot. - - - - - 550:139) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:06 Parked in front of a mansion now; someone came up to him, gesticulating; OJ pointed a gun at him; cops pulled the arm-waver away. The chopper's gonna SQUASH that car; it can't have a zoom lens THAT good. I couldn't care less about O. J. Simpson or any celebrity. He could be anyone, admittedly a fucked-up anyone. But right now he's just an object. EVERY BROADCAST CHANNEL BUT 13 IS CARRYING THIS LIVE. I've never see anything like this. I used to advocate broadcasting executions to educate people about the horror of capital punishment but not any more; this is gratiutious entertainment for the giggling, squirming masses. The choppers are being ordered to pull away from the car now -- the sheer number of aircraft over the car are fucking up c-phone communication with the negotiators. I'm waiting for a newshound to stick a microphone in the driver's window: "What are your feelings now, Mr. O.J.?" - - - - - 550:140) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:06 he could well be innocent. - - - - - 550:141) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:06 Look! His dog has come out into the driveway. To greet his master, I suppose. - - - - - 550:142) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:06 It's not a suicide yet. oh--he's not out yet. Just "Voice-to-Voice". Jaze, I feel like you're our informed guide, our Virgil, if you will. - - - - - 550:143) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:06 i wish someone else would quickly confess to the crime. - - - - - 550:144) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:06 What's on Channel 13? - - - - - 550:145) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:07 his friend in on the phone. - - - - - 550:146) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:07 it might not be suicide or murder, it might just be a hug. - - - - - 550:147) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:07 I think that in the TV movie, Ann's part should be played by Bronson Pinchot. - - - - - 550:148) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:07 Still no groundshot on Fox. - - - - - 550:149) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:07 go ch 2 - - - - - 550:150) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:07 damn..... i don't know who Bronson Pinchot is. - - - - - 550:151) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:08 Actually, now you can see more on FOX's ground shot - - - - - 550:152) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:08 "Seeaarrgge" - - - - - 550:153) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:08 Bronson Pinchot plays the "zany European cousin" on a charming sitcom entitled PERFECT STRANGERS. - - - - - 550:154) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:09 oh....i know who you mean.....i am him? he is me? - - - - - 550:155) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:09 Jaze, it's on channels 11 and 9 too, if you get better reception on those. - - - - - 550:156) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:09 Ann: He was a possessive wife beater and killed his ex-wife and her *25* year old lover. There was blood on the driveway. Blood on a glove (possibly) in his house and he flew immediately to Chicago to set up an alibi. And he's done this. And he changed his will. - - - - - 550:157) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:09 His friend is back... - - - - - 550:158) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:09 ch 11 (wpix) has access to ac couple of skycam shots... cutting between like a music video. But great shots. - - - - - 550:159) The Strange Apparatus 17-JUN-94 23:09 Johnathan, as an occasional instrument of the court, you should know that one is innocent until proven guilty. - - - - - 550:160) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:10 well he still may not have done it. this is so stressful. i feel like i may have a heart attack from all this stress. has he met his mother yet or not? - - - - - 550:161) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:11 Not any more... hasn't been that way for a while. Now guilty till proven not too guilty. - - - - - 550:162) The Strange Apparatus 17-JUN-94 23:11 and dorjam, those elements of supposed evidence have yet to be confirmed by the cops. - - - - - 550:163) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:11 The Culture Conference coverage beats the Sports Conference Coverage. - - - - - 550:164) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:12 StrApp! You're so CUUUUUUUUUTE! - - - - - 550:165) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:12 Yes, you are right Strapp. But it all has Verisimmilitude, which is all the public wants. - - - - - 550:166) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:12 do you think it will be over soon? i can't take this. - - - - - 550:167) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:13 His friend is in a great position! No one will prosecute him, and he'll make a fortune on the story rights. - - - - - 550:168) David Yamada 17-JUN-94 23:13 Wow. Stunning and bizarre. Not unusual when someone is dying, he calls for his mother. This seems to have that tragic sense to it. I hope he doesn't die here. - - - - - 550:169) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:13 he does seem to have a lot of friends which is good. - - - - - 550:170) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:13 They sure can prosicute... obstructin of justice. Hah! - - - - - 550:171) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:13 Ann, if you can't take it, turn off the TV and radio, and read a good book. Poetry, perhaps. - - - - - 550:172) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:13 They wouldn't prosecute him. - - - - - 550:173) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:13 OJ's dog is back. - - - - - 550:174) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:14 Or Phillip K. Dick. He's great! - - - - - 550:175) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:14 i hope he doesn't die at all. i hope he didn't even do it. i hope something miraculous happens soon. - - - - - 550:176) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:14 "The scene is calm, if you will. A car sitting in a driveway, like any suburban scene." - - - - - 550:177) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:14 He hasn't seen his mom unless she's small enough to fit in the glove compartment. - - - - - 550:178) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:14 I think someone made mention to howard stern! - - - - - 550:179) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:14 Deus ex machina, Ann? Worked for Medea! - - - - - 550:180) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:14 i want to confess to the crime instead. i don't want him to have done it. he is so distraught. - - - - - 550:181) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:14 Is this a great country or what>? - - - - - 550:182) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:15 Yeah, with cop cars surrounding it, with a man witha gun... just like any suburban scene. - - - - - 550:183) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:15 We the jury with no evidence - is OJ guilty repond: Guilty! - - - - - 550:184) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:15 OJ "felt that *HE* was the battered spouse in the relationship". - - - - - 550:185) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:15 He said in the note that He felt like the battered spouse! - - - - - 550:186) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:15 Japan's getting quite a kick over THIS American crime event, I'm sure... - - - - - 550:187) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:15 He's coming out... - - - - - 550:188) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:15 you can never trust a blond! - - - - - 550:189) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:15 viadyer, I think guilt is almost besides the point now. This is drama enough. - - - - - 550:190) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:16 JINX! Buy me a coke, Jaze! - - - - - 550:191) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:16 If he blows himself away, do you think he will get out of the car and do it for the cameras? - - - - - 550:192) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:16 He's out... When he's arragned, he'll be in the cell next to eric menendez (barbara walters) - - - - - 550:193) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:16 it's just stressful....i will start popping valiums or mogodons soon. - - - - - 550:194) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:16 OJ's still in the car...What is he waiting for? - - - - - 550:195) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:16 Blow me, Dorje! I am oblivious to your bizarre American superstitions. Like Cousin Balki. Or Ann. - - - - - 550:196) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:17 In Hawaii, they have a place that you can run to to be absolved. But I don't think you can get there in a Bronco. - - - - - 550:197) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:17 They're cheering! - - - - - 550:198) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:17 Actually, OJ has the same lawyer, that Schapiro guy, as Eric Menendez. - - - - - 550:199) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:17 i kind of like cousin balki. - - - - - 550:200) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:17 Peter Jennings is pontificating now, representing sad America's conscience. I'll let him do it only because he shut up Baba Wawa. - - - - - 550:201) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:18 at ground sho ton ch 2 - - - - - 550:203) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:18 Has this pre-empted the Knicks game? - - - - - 550:204) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:18 i wish he could see our email....it would calm me down if we could talk to him. - - - - - 550:205) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:18 Nope. - - - - - 550:206) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:18 Jaze, I'd blow you but I still wouldn't get a coke, would I you skinflint! - - - - - 550:207) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:18 I'm sure OJ would feel calmer if he could talk to you, Ann. - - - - - 550:208) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:18 Ann, you are a lovely person. - - - - - 550:209) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:19 This'll appear in the New Yorker; buy him a subscription. - - - - - 550:210) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:19 I'm that if OJ knew how upset YOU were, that he'd reconsider. - - - - - 550:211) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:19 Bad news, Ann. SOunds like OJ's mother may have been evacuated from the compound. - - - - - 550:212) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:19 No, the Knicks game is on, or rather was a while ago. Ch 4's gone to a commercial now. - - - - - 550:213) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:20 me on guys, yer slowing down here! - - - - - 550:214) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:20 he said he didn't do it. he's confused and stressed. where is his mother? we should try and find her somehow. - - - - - 550:215) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:21 Cops are trying to patch a phone call to mom. Place your bets as to whether it goes on the air. - - - - - 550:216) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:21 Do you think they'll drop a reporter from a helicoptor to get the interview - - - - - 550:217) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:21 If he wern't so famous, would we be looking at dead bodies now? - - - - - 550:218) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:21 She jumped over the couch, through the French doors, Off the Deck and over the fence. - - - - - 550:219) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:21 i want them to meet in person. it's not the same on the phone. he needs his mother immediately. mothers are never there when you need them. i hope she's trying to get to him. - - - - - 550:220) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:21 If it's a celluar phone call they could capture it and broadcast it. - - - - - 550:221) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:22 Do you think they are holding back because he's black and are afraid the y'd be called racist? - - - - - 550:222) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:22 my God. - - - - - 550:223) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:23 He is being treated quite normally. Did anyone see the movie Cadillac Man? - - - - - 550:224) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:23 why would they kill him? they know where he is and they have him surrounded. they won't kill him. - - - - - 550:225) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:23 Will he now be charged with murder *and* with evading arrest, being a fugitive, etc.? - - - - - 550:226) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:23 Yes, why haven't they tazered and bludgeoned him yet? I mean isn't that the minimum for this sort of thing in LA? I wish Garbled were here. - - - - - 550:227) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:24 Yeah! Where IS Garbled? - - - - - 550:228) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:24 Yeah, where *is* gu? And Tom L? - - - - - 550:229) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:24 this is unbelievable. why doesn't someone go and get his mother? - - - - - 550:230) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:24 Garbled was driving the car. - - - - - 550:231) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:24 jinx! jaze, you own me a beer. Heh. - - - - - 550:232) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:24 I bet Garbled's in the back seat of that Bronco! - - - - - 550:233) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:24 Usually not. You usually wind up being charged with the top offense only- the convictions on the other charges are dependent on the conviction og the murder charge. - - - - - 550:234) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:25 THERE IT IS AGAIN! A "lookie-loo"! That expression makes me want to off an Angeleno. - - - - - 550:235) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:25 Garbled went somewhere for the weekend. I can't imagine that OJs mother doesn't want to be there w/him. - - - - - 550:236) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:25 how old are the children? - - - - - 550:237) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:25 with garbled, sarah? - - - - - 550:238) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:25 kids are under 10 - - - - - 550:239) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:25 OK. What IS a lookie-loo? - - - - - 550:240) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:26 They won't charge anyone for helping OJ. - - - - - 550:242) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:26 Yeah, right. Come on, it's a crisis! The kids are young. - - - - - 550:243) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:26 Ah well, the lights are going.... - - - - - 550:244) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:26 if they find his mother will they let them see each other before arresting him? - - - - - 550:245) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:26 LA term for a glimpse of a thing like this I guess. - - - - - 550:246) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:26 Damn sun refuses to cooperate with the media. - - - - - 550:247) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:26 It's some asshole radio guy who keeps on saying "as we say in Los Angeles, a "lookie-loo"". - - - - - 550:248) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:27 Like I said, good thing the car's white.. - - - - - 550:249) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:27 do you think they're trying to spirit him out the back or something? - - - - - 550:251) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:28 are they regular cops? or a specially trained crew? - - - - - 550:252) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:28 Wait- it's the owner of the Art Bar... - - - - - 550:253) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:28 OJ's still in the car, jAe - - - - - 550:254) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:28 eard they're not sure of that... - - - - - 550:255) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:28 OJ's surrounded in Mr. rodger's Neighborhood. - - - - - 550:256) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:28 I've been following this since the LAPD's press conference announcing that OJ hadn't shown up for the surrender -- I am EXHAUSTED - - - - - 550:257) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:28 someone's changed my channel to the Knicks game! how dull. - - - - - 550:258) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:29 Specially trained, Ann. Including snipers. Men trained to kill at a great distance, using high-powered rifles with high-powered hunting scopes. - - - - - 550:259) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:29 it's really good that his friends are sticking by him. i don't think mine would do that. i think mine would drive me to the police station. - - - - - 550:260) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:29 I've got an answer to "would you be my neighbor" Those folks are going to make a mint with their home video cams. - - - - - 550:261) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:29 What's the score in the Knicks game? - - - - - 550:262) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:29 It's Cowling who's been leaving & returning to the car; if Simpson weren't there, the attention would be elsewhere - - - - - 550:263) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:29 Jaze,,, play nice. - - - - - 550:264) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:29 Ann: Special Weapons Assault (??) Team very special part of the police force. and can you gun officianados confirm that OJ's got a real dandy of a gun there? - - - - - 550:265) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:29 His friends are in it for the money. - - - - - 550:266) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:30 Special Weapons and Tactics, you pinko! - - - - - 550:267) ur-Josh Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:30 Binky Urban is surely flying to the scene with a $500,000 advance. - - - - - 550:268) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:30 I thought it was the great smell of Brut. - - - - - 550:269) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:31 maybe he has good friends? do you think his friends might think he's innocent? - - - - - 550:270) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:31 They just refered to him as "mr simpson" Who's he? - - - - - 550:271) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:31 they'reshowing replays of the highway "chase" - - - - - 550:272) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:31 mr. simpson owns the Simpson Estate. - - - - - 550:273) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:31 OJ's trying to phone the house, but the battery on his cellular phone is dying! - - - - - 550:274) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:32 really? - - - - - 550:275) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:32 (that's what they're saying on the police scanner) - - - - - 550:276) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:32 Now he's writing a message on the window with a Twinkie. - - - - - 550:277) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:32 is he related to marge et. al.? - - - - - 550:278) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:32 Ah ha! the Twinki defense! - - - - - 550:279) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:32 Wait! His mother's DEAF! She won't be able to talk with him on the phone! - - - - - 550:280) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:32 Josh that was SO funny - - - - - 550:281) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:32 A phone is to be given to Al Cowling, to be given to Simpson. - - - - - 550:282) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:32 ohmyGod. - - - - - 550:283) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:33 Are they tapping the phone? I wanna hear! - - - - - 550:284) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:33 god, this item is going so fast I can't figure out how to read it. Houston up by 1 point , 3 minutes remaining. like I said, boring. - - - - - 550:285) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:33 Well, I tell you one thing: when I take it on the lam after my murder spree, I shall be taking two dixie cups and a length of twine. - - - - - 550:286) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:34 Which game in the series is this? - - - - - 550:287) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:34 I'll bet an unscrambled phone could be scanned by the media after a few hours of conversation, but not this quickly. - - - - - 550:288) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:34 knicks up by 1 1.5 mins left - - - - - 550:289) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:34 i hope they let him talk to his mother and kids in private. i don't want to hear that....but i want to know that he is talking to them. why does he want his mother and not his kids? - - - - - 550:290) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:34 Hey, everyone remember to post the OJ Simpson jokes as they start to accrue. - - - - - 550:291) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:34 Boring! - - - - - 550:292) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:34 game 5 jaze. - - - - - 550:293) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:35 dorje's just pised 'cuz he lost his bet - - - - - 550:294) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:35 5th game, they're tied at 2 apiece. - - - - - 550:295) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:35 And what's the count, games-wise? - - - - - 550:296) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:35 Fifth game of series, Knicks up by 3 83-80 - - - - - 550:297) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:35 He's on the phone! - - - - - 550:298) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:35 OJ is on the phone now - - - - - 550:299) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:35 Another arguement against Clipper! - - - - - 550:300) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:35 JINX!! Buy me a beer - - - - - 550:301) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:36 Thanks Gail. Yes, I was amazed at the sang froid of a certain individual who wanted to bet that OJ would be dead within a certain time period. - - - - - 550:302) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:36 al michaels is commenting on oj. - - - - - 550:303) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:36 I want a beer, someone tell me how to get one free from you guyZ - - - - - 550:304) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:36 who is he on the phone to? - - - - - 550:305) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:36 One beer for Twang. - - - - - 550:306) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:37 I think he's ordering a pizza. - - - - - 550:307) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:37 "I'm sorry but your call cannot be connected at this time...." - - - - - 550:308) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:37 hearing this? - - - - - 550:309) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:37 you should talk, jaze...I hear you've won $5 on this - - - - - 550:310) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:37 Does Pizza Hut still guarantee delivery before you're incarcerated? - - - - - 550:311) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:37 sorry... where are you hearing this? (the phone conv?) - - - - - 550:312) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:37 oh my God...they are implying that he has AIDS i think. - - - - - 550:313) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:38 remember how MCI or ATT or SPRINT have that commercial where he uses their service to call his Mom? I wonder if he's getting his discount. - - - - - 550:314) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:38 Ann! Cut down on your meds! - - - - - 550:315) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:38 knicks game is back on 1:50 to go - - - - - 550:316) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:38 Ann-- what?! - - - - - 550:317) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:38 this is indeed Hollywood Babylon - - - - - 550:318) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:38 Maybe a bad engram did this to him. - - - - - 550:319) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:38 knicks up by 5, 1:25 left, 4th quat. - - - - - 550:320) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:38 they said he had a swollen lymph gland. - - - - - 550:321) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:38 CNN announcer is commenting on the "party-like atmosphere" of the crowd - - - - - 550:322) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:39 knicks have 5 point lead. Mason got a basket. - - - - - 550:323) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:39 Please continue the Knicks Ticker. It adds some kind of poetry to this all... - - - - - 550:324) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:39 LAPD wants all copters up to a klick. - - - - - 550:325) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:39 No, I think he said "I miss England". - - - - - 550:326) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:39 this is stressful for everyone isn't it? - - - - - 550:327) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:39 knicks up by five, 1 minute to go. - - - - - 550:328) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:39 Ann, I've smoked a half a pack of cigs already - - - - - 550:329) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:39 Only for his lawyer. - - - - - 550:330) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:39 knicks at commercial, rockets only have one timeout left. - - - - - 550:331) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:39 i miss England. - - - - - 550:332) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:39 I have to wash some dead clams outta my sink. - - - - - 550:333) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:40 Christ, first Magic, then Ann. - - - - - 550:334) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:40 his lawyer and me. - - - - - 550:335) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:40 OJ says he'll consider coming out after talking to his mother This is gonna be a long night - - - - - 550:336) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:40 Ann, he can't like his friends too much - he talked about "leaving them" in his letter. - - - - - 550:337) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:41 well they'll just agree hopefully. - - - - - 550:338) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:41 Interesting points: It's a football buddie helping him. Second only yo fellow Vets in the movies for helping a pal in this sorta thing. I think he's got a tec-5 semi-automatic. He's a collector. - - - - - 550:339) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:41 what's a klick? anyone notice how damn long that "please enter the text of your reponse" message is? - - - - - 550:340) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:41 If this were yesterday, Simpson could dial the Yorb. - - - - - 550:341) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:41 i think it's a reasonable request. - - - - - 550:342) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:41 What if he has to pee? - - - - - 550:343) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:41 Dorje, I don't think there's such a thing as a Tec-5. - - - - - 550:344) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:41 1:08 left Rockets on the line. - - - - - 550:345) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:41 "The police have control of the situation" hahahahahahahaha (klick = 1 thousand feet) - - - - - 550:346) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:42 i left my friends....and i love them lots. - - - - - 550:347) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:42 is there any way I can keep reading this without typing sh it 550, and then going back 10 or 20 responses to read new ones? it is taking so fucking long!! - - - - - 550:348) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:42 I thought a klick was a kilometer. - - - - - 550:349) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:42 He should have went before, Twang. - - - - - 550:350) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:42 Knicks lead 85-81 - - - - - 550:351) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:42 Him?!? What if *I* have to pee? - - - - - 550:352) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:42 just type "n" gail. - - - - - 550:353) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:43 Knick at the line less then a minute to go. - - - - - 550:354) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:43 ck is 1000 meters - 1 kilometer. gail--type N or new - - - - - 550:355) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:43 it looks like a nice house. i'm pleased he's got a nice house. - - - - - 550:356) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:43 klick = 1000 anything Two media people tried to jump the fence; SWATters removed them - - - - - 550:357) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:43 A Klick is a Kilometer I wanna know aht kinda gun it is. Are you *sure* there's never been a tec-5 Jaze? I mean, I know you would know but... - - - - - 550:358) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:43 ann, you are too surreal - - - - - 550:359) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:44 Starks got first foul shot 86-81 Starks got both of them 87-81 - - - - - 550:360) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:44 I hope they removed them with 7 cents of lead. - - - - - 550:361) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:44 This *is* weird... I wouldn't have even known if it weren't for ECHO. When I think OJ, I think the Naked Gun movies. But--wouldn't this be done better in *chat*? Why are people on ECHO seemingly afraid of chat? (I'm new here and curious) - - - - - 550:362) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:44 Jump Ball! 35 seconds to go. - - - - - 550:363) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:44 we're not in chat so we will always have this item to document this amazing event - - - - - 550:364) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:45 Which team is he on? - - - - - 550:365) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:45 this very tragic event. - - - - - 550:366) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:45 Commercial. 38 seconds left - - - - - 550:367) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:45 rockets choking. - - - - - 550:368) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:45 Exactly, and Chat is too hard to follow with more than a threesome. - - - - - 550:369) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:45 Naah. This is a historical document. Oh, sorry *Twang* AN historical document. Tec-9 (9mm) or Tec-10 (10mm) as I recall. - - - - - 550:370) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:45 almost totally dark now - - - - - 550:371) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:45 the police look really scary....i bet he's really scared. i am scared. - - - - - 550:372) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:46 Starks is on the knicks. Knicks at the line. - - - - - 550:373) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:46 Like Baghdad during the gulf war, without the sparklers - - - - - 550:374) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:46 knicks up by six 28 secs left - - - - - 550:375) Kathleen Creighton 17-JUN-94 23:46 Peter, there are people who like chat, like you, and people who don't. People who inhabit conferencing systems typically aren't big fans of chat. IMO, as the BBS/online service reviewer for MicroTimes, it's not real likely you'll consider ECHO an analog to SFNet. - - - - - 550:376) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:46 Lawyer Schapiro has arrived - - - - - 550:377) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:46 Ann! Increase your medication immediately! - - - - - 550:378) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:46 And welcome, Peter! - - - - - 550:379) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:46 this is somewhat surreal... everyone's always liked The Juice... - - - - - 550:380) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:47 someone actually posted in another item here! - - - - - 550:381) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:47 That's just what makes this so compelling, Peter - - - - - 550:382) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:47 And Kathleen! 86 the topic drift! And what's a "lookie-loo", you SF types? - - - - - 550:383) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:47 Yes, i thought it was weird when I heard them say "tec-5" on the radio. Well, they don't seem to want to talk about any of the hardware involved. i mean does the Bronco have bucket seats? A gun rack? Was it a morotola phone? What's a geek to do? - - - - - 550:384) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:47 am i going crazy? i am the sane one here. i am distressed. you're supposed to be distressed. i like the SFnet by the way/ - - - - - 550:385) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:48 knicks by 8, 89-81, time out. - - - - - 550:386) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:48 That's just what makes this so compelling, jAe. - - - - - 550:387) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:48 but how dare they! - - - - - 550:388) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:48 Dorje, they'll go into techie details when things quiet down IF they quiet down - - - - - 550:389) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:48 Thanks for taking a break from your distress long enough to praise the SFnet, Ann. - - - - - 550:390) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:48 thanks for the 'n' tip. for some reason I kept getting some stupid item about emack & bolio's. - - - - - 550:391) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:49 The "n" command gives you all the new responses. - - - - - 550:392) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:49 they had no idea simpson would run like he did" he's a goddamn running back, what'd they expect? - - - - - 550:393) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:49 What's the betting Shapiro's still charging his hourly rate? - - - - - 550:394) molerat 17-JUN-94 23:50 is anyone else struck by how much the tv commentary sounds like golf coverage? - - - - - 550:395) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:50 they are saying his letter had no point. i liked his letter. i would be so mad if they read my letter out on TV. i wish they'd get in trouble for doing that. - - - - - 550:396) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:50 Rockets score 3 88-83 knicks up! - - - - - 550:397) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:50 jAe -- LOL - - - - - 550:398) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:50 I'm rather sure he wanted it read. - - - - - 550:399) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:51 Yes. When there's nothing to say, because there's nothing going on, you say nothing over and over again. In England, they have the same thing for cricket. - - - - - 550:400) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:51 OJs friend says his golf game was up, so he must havea been happy. - - - - - 550:401) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:51 My college published your admission essay in its newspaper if you died during a break. - - - - - 550:402) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:51 sarah--lol - - - - - 550:403) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:51 I am *SO* glad I stayed in tonight. - - - - - 550:404) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:51 How much time left (in the Knicks game?) - - - - - 550:405) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:51 but cricket can go on for weeks and weeks. - - - - - 550:406) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:51 Should his wife had broken all ties with OJ? - - - - - 550:407) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:51 CNN is replaying the audio of the suisice note being read - - - - - 550:408) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:52 oh. I have to say, this is my most exciting experience yet on Echo. I feel so *connected*. I'm not in the same room as the tv, so I have to keep running back and forth. unfortunately, the building I'm in closes at 12:30 so I have to go soon. can't wait to check out this item in a day or two, when it's all over. - - - - - 550:409) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:52 i may be sick soon. - - - - - 550:410) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:52 22 seconds, - - - - - 550:411) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:52 too bad he can't really fly - - - - - 550:412) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:52 They have kids. Impossible. / - - - - - 550:413) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:52 OJ had broken all her bones, she should have broken all her ties. - - - - - 550:414) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:52 letter also on channel 11 - - - - - 550:415) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:52 they say he's in custody. - - - - - 550:416) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:52 damn what about his mother? - - - - - 550:417) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:52 This is much better than going out and getting laid And I might even feel degraded after THIS, too. - - - - - 550:418) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:52 They say they're arresting him now. - - - - - 550:419) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:52 That's just what makes it so compelling, ann - - - - - 550:420) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:53 oh, that's horrible, josh. how many people died during breaks? - - - - - 550:421) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:53 Radio is behind. They don't have the arrest news yet. - - - - - 550:422) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:53 why has he got picture frames? - - - - - 550:423) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:53 19.2 secs in knicsk - - - - - 550:424) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:53 knicks wasted ball. knicks get it back and are fouled. Mason at the line 19 seconds left. - - - - - 550:425) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:54 A surprising amount rear-ended by drunk truckers He's arrested now, with two framed photos in his hands. - - - - - 550:426) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:54 OJ is in custody. - - - - - 550:427) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:54 they said it's great news....i dont' think it's great news. this is not right. there is something wrong here. - - - - - 550:428) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:54 Just head lookie-loos on tv.-- must be the rubberneckers. ./ - - - - - 550:429) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:54 "Code Four" - - - - - 550:430) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:54 he was framed. - - - - - 550:431) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:54 Hands up who's happy it ended peacefully? - - - - - 550:432) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:54 Yes, he's in custody KABC guy just compared this to DOG DAY AFTERNOON - - - - - 550:433) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:54 Mason gets first foul shot Miss the second. Knicks by 6 4 seconds left. - - - - - 550:434) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:55 OJ left the car with 2 picture frames in his hand - - - - - 550:435) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:55 the longest hour in sports is the last 2 minutes of a basketball game - - - - - 550:436) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:55 No stun or flash grenades were needed. No more hurt people. Just the formalities in further destroying a shattering life. - - - - - 550:437) mariposa heat~wave@echo.com 17-JUN-94 23:55 The only one who won't feel degraded in the morning is Ann... IMO - - - - - 550:438) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:55 Ann--he is safe and unharmed. His mom can come visit him in jail. (and hopefully give him a good smack) - - - - - 550:439) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:55 Dog Day Afternoon?! HARDLY. - - - - - 550:440) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:55 Knicks miss a foul shot- they do that too much! 91-84 - - - - - 550:441) skooob was here 17-JUN-94 23:56 Peter Jennings is a stupid dickhead. Yay or nay? - - - - - 550:442) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:56 knicks winn game 5 - - - - - 550:443) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:56 Oh yea. - - - - - 550:444) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:56 Knicks Win! - - - - - 550:445) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:56 Knicks Win! - - - - - 550:446) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:56 just as the oj situatin is ending... hmmmmmmmm - - - - - 550:447) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:57 does he have to stay in a prison tonight? will he get help now? will they leave him on his own overnight? they can't do that. that's insane. - - - - - 550:448) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:57 KNICKS WIN!!!!!!! - - - - - 550:449) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:57 Simpson's still inside the compound. No one's left. - - - - - 550:450) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:57 HI DRIFTER! - - - - - 550:451) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:57 No. OJ gets to go home now, Ann. - - - - - 550:452) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:57 they wanted him held without bail earlier.... don't think this will help his case not to flee.... - - - - - 550:453) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:57 no really...they can't just lock him up.....can they? they will give him help immediately? - - - - - 550:454) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:58 But it would really help an insanity defense{ - - - - - 550:455) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:58 Drifter? - - - - - 550:456) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:58 Right now, 4 cops are probably pounding the tar out of him. - - - - - 550:457) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:58 uite tur, josh - - - - - 550:458) viadyer 17-JUN-94 23:58 They will make him sit in jail all night. He will definitely be on suicide watch. - - - - - 550:459) Ann 17-JUN-94 23:58 we should be able to help him. i wish we could do something. - - - - - 550:460) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:58 And so, the greatest running back of all time has completed his last tragic run from the LA police authorities.. - - - - - 550:461) doktor dorje 17-JUN-94 23:58 They will give him chicken soup, a glass of warm milk, a teddy bear and tuck his hall-of-fame ass in bed, Ann. - - - - - 550:462) Twang 17-JUN-94 23:58 Ann, he's the prime -- ONLY -- suspect in a brutal murder who has fled arrest. He's going to jail and NOT passing Go. - - - - - 550:463) sarah m 17-JUN-94 23:58 They're taking him to get a medical exam to see if he overdoesd. - - - - - 550:464) Vantage, jAe 17-JUN-94 23:58 that was quite tru. damn. true - - - - - 550:465) Peter Merholz 17-JUN-94 23:58 First, I'm sure, they'll draw him a bath, Ann. - - - - - 550:466) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:58 What you call me?! - - - - - 550:467) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:59 I think it may help if we all beam him warm vibes of love. - - - - - 550:468) gail j 17-JUN-94 23:59 this is so sad. Now the Knicks are going to go to their locker room and hear about it. - - - - - 550:469) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 17-JUN-94 23:59 Blue beams for the orange black man! - - - - - 550:470) Snoop Trouty Trout 17-JUN-94 23:59 Yes. - - - - - 550:471) Jonathan Hayes 17-JUN-94 23:59 gail, you are kind of weird. - - - - - 550:472) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:00 I don't think it'll break the mood oin the locker room. - - - - - 550:473) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:00 Oddly, I feel no empathy for the Knicks. But, this is *very very* weird... OJ's always been a known role model 'n stuf. - - - - - 550:474) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:00 but he's lost control....he's so stressed out. he needs to be with people who love him now. damn this is so awful to see. i feel sick. - - - - - 550:475) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:00 Please do not love murders. Be fair, but save your love for murder's parents, children, victim's and victim's family. - - - - - 550:476) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:00 Let's see it again! - - - - - 550:477) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:00 Is this a record for most posts in shortest time? Do we get cookies? - - - - - 550:478) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:01 Let's face it, it was a pretty banal story, considering the intensity of the media scrutiny it produced. The coverage was more about the medium than the event. - - - - - 550:479) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:01 I believe he did it, Ann. He deprived his children of their mother -- horribly -- AND their father. - - - - - 550:480) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:01 Gawd... did he really kill her and the lover? I mean... and be stupid enough to leave evidence like bloody ski masks around the house? What the fuck has happened to him? - - - - - 550:481) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:01 But I loved those highway shots! - - - - - 550:482) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:01 It is not atypical of how crazy people are treated or behave. - - - - - 550:483) mariposa heat~wave@echo.com 18-JUN-94 0:02 No cookies, you'll just feel cheap & media manipulated in the morning. - - - - - 550:484) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:02 thanks, jhayes, i didn't feel welcomed till you said that. - - - - - 550:485) Josh Save the Juice Karpf 18-JUN-94 0:02 Stacy gets to buy a new hair bow thanks to all this! Night, all. The dishes are calling. Thanks for sharing this. - - - - - 550:486) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:03 mariposa, we're experienced cynics here! Don't worry about us. - - - - - 550:487) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:03 Oh stop being so sanctimonious, viadyer! why not love murderers? He isn't a murderer for all 48 years or so of his life - he murdered for a period of maybe 15 minutes. He is still the same human as before, he has just behaved in an extreme manner. Do you think he's EVIL because he has killed? SOme might argue that he is mentally ill - should we not love him because of that? - - - - - 550:488) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:03 oh yeah, jaze. banal. Famous man kills ex-weife and younger lover, then flees from arrest, overdosed and with a gun to his head. - - - - - 550:489) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:03 " Let's go down to the compound to talk with the Juice... Juice--Why'd you run?" - - - - - 550:490) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:03 my God my phone rang and my computer answered and i couldn't speak to whoever called me..... he may not have done it. even if he did do it, it's still so sad. - - - - - 550:491) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:03 As a human being I am happy it's over and no one was hurt by *this* incident. As a consumer and tube suckler, the ending was a let-down. ., - - - - - 550:492) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:03 really, shouldn't we wait for the judge and the jury? we are letting the media convict him without any acknowledged evidence. - - - - - 550:493) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:04 I agree with Ann... whatever the outcome of this, it *is* sad... And that should not be overlooked by the cynics in any of us... - - - - - 550:494) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:04 That's it, dorje! Why wait till tomorrow to feel degraded! - - - - - 550:495) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:04 "How you feeling right now, big guy?" - - - - - 550:496) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:04 He is both EVIL and mentally ill. Murder is the only unforgivable act. - - - - - 550:497) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:04 It IS sad. - - - - - 550:498) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:04 i feel exhausted now. - - - - - 550:499) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:04 Oh snap out of it you moralizing dweebs! - - - - - 550:500) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:05 yes gail, pure circumstantial evidence.... that's quite damning. - - - - - 550:501) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:05 Barney is pretty unforgivable. - - - - - 550:502) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:05 I agree with Ann, just a very sad story. I didn't know he overdosed, too. - - - - - 550:503) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:05 This circus is disgusting. Why am I so engrossed? - - - - - 550:504) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:05 "So, Juice- you've just been on the Lam- whatcha gonna do now?" - - - - - 550:505) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:05 i forgive him. i can't help it. it's terrible to get obsessive about someone. it does feel like one has no control when that happens. i guess he needs a lot of help. it's really so terribly tragic. - - - - - 550:506) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:06 I think part of this point here is how TeeVee is wholly inadequate for dealing with this story in any true sense... - - - - - 550:507) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:06 Dunno, skoob -- but some sociologist's gonna get a dissertation out of this item! - - - - - 550:508) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:06 Where were you when Berkowitz needed you , Ann? - - - - - 550:509) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:06 What degredation? - - - - - 550:510) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:06 this is surreal now....noone ever agrees with me on ECHO. - - - - - 550:511) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:06 i'm sure this will soon be an episode of NYPDBlue, or Law & Order. we can watch it in reruns forever. .\ - - - - - 550:512) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:07 This will dovetail nicely with the Evil item. They've announced a press conference for about an hour from now - - - - - 550:513) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:07 500+ resps in 1 .5 hrs. - - - - - 550:514) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:07 OJ was hardly a *serial* killer... A crime of passion should *not* be equated with cold, calculated, repeated murder. - - - - - 550:515) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:07 This is a _low_ point for American culture. - - - - - 550:516) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:07 If you can't moralize about slaughtering people what can you moralize about? Bad service in a restaurant? - - - - - 550:517) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:07 "I think I'll go to Disneyland!!!" good night, all. this has been an experience. - - - - - 550:518) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:08 They're charging him with murder one -- not a crime of passion, but premeditated - - - - - 550:519) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:08 Was Berkowitz any less obsessive? - - - - - 550:520) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:08 Great, now they're doing "man on the street" coverage. How enriching. NOT. Blah. I moralize about coffee. - - - - - 550:521) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:08 can they charge someone with a crime of passion? is there a legal term for that? - - - - - 550:522) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:08 Don't moralize. Peter--"crime of passion" is the oldest copout in the book. And if he did it, the plane to chicago is a sign of premeditation. - - - - - 550:523) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:08 But, Peter, if he did do it, it's part of a series of brutalities against his wife. A pattern. He's been convicted before, ya know. - - - - - 550:524) Snoop Trouty Trout 18-JUN-94 0:09 Only in romance novels. - - - - - 550:525) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:09 it's not a copout. - - - - - 550:526) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:09 I don't think this was a crime of passion... if he did it, he planned it. He knew how much tim ehe had between engagements... the limo driver said he had to wait 1/2 hr beyond the scheduled pickup time. - - - - - 550:527) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:09 Ann, I often agree with you, after I find out everything you say. For instance you approve of stealing sometimes, yet you have never stolen anything of great value. - - - - - 550:528) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:09 He pleaded no contest to beating the woman who was killed - - - - - 550:529) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:09 Hmm... I must admit to no knowledge of OJ's marital history... - - - - - 550:530) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:10 Though... premeditation suggests having a better plan than leaving bloody ski masks lying about the house... "That, oh, I, um, ran into a tree in Tahoe." - - - - - 550:531) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:10 i don't approve of murder viadyer ever....but i do feel terrible sympathy for him. - - - - - 550:532) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:10 no he has *not* been convicted before.. he pleaded nol conteste (no contest), neither guilty or not guilty. - - - - - 550:533) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:11 I'd argue that "crime of passion" was invented for men who killed their wives/mistresses/lovers of their wives/mistresses etc. cos they were so pissed about the state of their "monkey" and their "property". - - - - - 550:534) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:11 No contest. He was convicted. Where's the lawyer dude? - - - - - 550:535) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:12 i want to know how the hell he got away without his lawyer "knowing" - - - - - 550:536) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:12 How real is this? How "real" is OJ? His persona has come full circle, and it seems only appropriate that it should have been lived out on TV. OJ as invented on TV, disseminated on TV, his existence in the mind of the public sustained on TV commercials after his sports career finished, and that in itself was lampooned in his film roles. It's a question of paying dues. He was built up on TV, it is only right that he should be sacrificed on TV. The thing IS banal. A man kills his wife and her lover. Happens every day. But this was different because of his fame, but far more importantly because we could *watch*. Seriously, how did you react when he surrendered without violence? Did your hearts soar with relief? - - - - - 550:537) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:12 Right on dorje. 4,000 women die like Nicole every year. that's alot of people. - - - - - 550:538) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:12 sheesh... a guy says crime of passion and doesn't hear the end of it... still... I think a comparison to a Berkowitz, Gacy, Dahmer, or Bundy is wholly unfounded.. - - - - - 550:539) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:13 Naaa, i was kinda disappointed. - - - - - 550:540) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:13 Seriously? Somehow disappointed. Because, as you said Jaze, it's *not* entirely real. - - - - - 550:541) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:13 He got to see his mom. - - - - - 550:542) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:14 Jayes, what does this sadistic obsession say about us? I mean, come on, how many of us were really hoping to see him blow his head off? - - - - - 550:543) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:14 jaze does that happen all the time? people killing two innocent people not using a gun? my friends brother was killed by Dahmer. yuck. i feel sad now. - - - - - 550:544) gail j 18-JUN-94 0:14 you know, this item is particularly weird because there are so many people responding to it at the same time, there is the inevitable delay, so as readers it's hard to tell which post we're responding to. you know? - - - - - 550:545) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:14 All murders take human life. Some take more than others. I find them all equally abhorent. OJ may not be guilty, but I find that unlikely. - - - - - 550:546) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:14 No one REALLY wants to see someone die. But here, we weren't watching a human being in agony, we were watching a TV character enact a TV-type scenario. - - - - - 550:547) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:15 i definitely did not want to see his head blown off. i wanted him to see his mother and for someone else to confess to the crime. that's very definitely what i wanted. - - - - - 550:548) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:15 Yes, Jaze. And I think it's also because his wife was so beautiful and well-liked and that she was seeing another guy 10 years her junior. And someone else did the car-chase with a gun thing last year and got just about as much coverage even tho he was a nobody. His fame was entirely created by the TV and not any of his efforts in life (such as being such a damn great athlete) and he WAS sacrificed on the boob tube altar. - - - - - 550:549) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:15 Another TV-type scenario, Ann. The happy ending. Juice ex Machina. - - - - - 550:550) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:16 Jon--I find your cynicism unfounded, at least for me... *I* can distinguish between TeeVee and reality. And labelling him no more than a TeeVee character is spiteful. - - - - - 550:551) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:16 Another question: How insane do you have to be to simultaneously stab two people to death?? Even amazingly strong, I think it would take real mental craze. - - - - - 550:552) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:16 i don't entirely agree Jaze. i did feel that i was watching a man in agony. - - - - - 550:553) sarah m 18-JUN-94 0:16 Yeah, those shots of the freeway, the cops following slowly behind OJ, waiting for him to decide what would happen next.... - - - - - 550:554) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:16 The victims were stabbed separately - - - - - 550:555) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:17 skooob, good question.... how'd he work that? - - - - - 550:556) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:18 Twang, tell me more. They weren't together? - - - - - 550:557) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:18 Some murders do commit suicide after murder- especially after crimes that involve emotionally related people. - - - - - 550:558) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:19 Probably stabbed one to death and then waited for the other. - - - - - 550:559) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:19 How could they find blood on the driveway at his home? Wouldn't the blood have dried by then? - - - - - 550:560) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:19 Lots of people commit suicide after murder. - - - - - 550:561) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:19 In fact--most murder sprees end in the killer's death... often, um, disappointing (to be clinical), because it would be beneficial to try to find what makes the person tick. - - - - - 550:562) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:19 You can still type it and do DNA on it when it's dry. - - - - - 550:563) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:19 Jaze, for me you're right. He is a TV character. Unfortunately. - - - - - 550:564) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:20 I*'ll raise my hand and say I wanted to hear that he'd either blown off his head or taken down a few SWAT team members. Sure. But that's because I don't really feel like any of it was actually *real*. In substance it was *exactly* like a weird TV show, or radio show in my case. Course that's the gut. the head knows it was real and the heart feels bad for all that happened and is glad it's over, but they are drowned out by this really intense sense of hearing a story. And being disappointed in the ending. Which reminds me it was real life cos not even the worst schlocks would have ended it that way. that leads me back to a little sympathy. - - - - - 550:565) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:20 gosh....i am so pathetic....i can't believe that i wanted a happy ending. - - - - - 550:566) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:20 Yeah, but if it's dried, how can it appear on his driveway? - - - - - 550:567) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:20 Yeah, well, in the end we all want the same banal pathetic happy ending. - - - - - 550:568) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:21 dorje bravely posts for me. it didn't at all seem real for a while. COPS! Rescue 911. Unsolved mysteries..... - - - - - 550:569) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:22 Dorje -- precisely. Beautifully put. The blood on OJ's driveway was *his own*. - - - - - 550:570) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:22 If thishappened here, yould you be on the streets? - - - - - 550:571) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:22 No! The blood on our hands is OJ's! - - - - - 550:572) viadyer 18-JUN-94 0:22 Los Angeles is very dry, and blood stains are hard to get out. See the laundry item and garbled's lip. - - - - - 550:573) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:22 Why would his blood mean anything? - - - - - 550:574) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:22 No. That's where I draww the line. - - - - - 550:575) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:23 why didn't i feel like that....i wish i felt like that. - - - - - 550:576) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:23 Jaze. You MUST explain that. - - - - - 550:577) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:23 His blood would be important because it would suggest he was injured in a struggle. - - - - - 550:578) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:24 Or shaving. - - - - - 550:579) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 0:24 Anybody remember the ranger parade today? - - - - - 550:580) Peter Merholz 18-JUN-94 0:24 Out Out Damned Spot! - - - - - 550:581) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:27 No, I wouldn't head into a fire zone, but I'd look out the window as the cops passed and I'd listen to the radio. - - - - - 550:582) Jackie Blue 18-JUN-94 0:32 What has me stunned beyond belief, is not only did I miss all this while it was happening, but I come home to find *580* responses in this item in 2 hours!?! - - - - - 550:583) sarah m 18-JUN-94 0:32 I was there and I can't believe it. - - - - - 550:584) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:34 Jaze, where are you? Tell me why I'm Lady McBeth. I'm really interested in your analysis. - - - - - 550:585) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:35 For gods sake. A sportscaster was discussing the impact of the Simpson story on Rangers players tonight. He guesses they didn't know about OJ. Oh, thank god! - - - - - 550:586) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:36 Wait, what was the question, skooob? - - - - - 550:587) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:37 OJ's blood is on OUR hands. I think I know what you mean, but I want to hear MORE. - - - - - 550:588) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:38 i thought it was what Oppenheimer said after the bomb was dropped. - - - - - 550:589) Ann 18-JUN-94 0:38 i have a high temperature now. - - - - - 550:590) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:39 Oh, I didn't say it sincerely, skooob, I'm afraid. I'm guilty of the cynicism with which the delicate mariposa charged me. - - - - - 550:591) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:41 No I think in a broader sense OJ's been tried by dia consumers like me who encourage media frenzy that pushes OJ to the edge. - - - - - 550:592) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:41 A pal just yo'ed me and asked when we got so cynical. Is this cynical? - - - - - 550:593) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:45 Our reaction to it as a drama, as a media event, rather than a human tragedy of some kind -- yes, that's cynical. But honest, since that was what we were given. - - - - - 550:594) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:47 What is _our_ moral responsibility here? Are we encouraging this media frenzy? - - - - - 550:595) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:47 Yes. We have accpeted that OJ is only symbolically real, and, as such, as a man with no flesh or blood, as a cartoon, we can be entertained abstactly by the vaarious horrible things which happen to him. I refuse to allow myself to consider even for a second how he must be feeling right *this* second. I am comfortable imagining him in a car chase, sitting holding a gun to his head, like some CBS Monday Night Movie. It is this type of detachment of human qualities from the image of a man which is behind the argument that kids today are more ready to kill because killing, which they have seen a million times on TV, has no meaning at all, no repercussion, no impact. Shooting someone is, as I have said before, like using the remote control to change the channel. - - - - - 550:596) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 0:48 It's symbiotic. We feed the media as they feed us. - - - - - 550:597) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:50 Our distance partly comes from our distrust and cynicism toward the media. We dismiss it because it is the same media that gave us Joey and Amy, Woody and Mia, the Reagan Administration... etc. Can anyone here prove it was not a well-done hoax? - - - - - 550:598) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:50 The line between reality and TV getting blurrier and blurrier. What's the difference between A Current Affair and a "fact-based" TV movie? In fact, I was imagining the movie of tonight's events while I was watching them. - - - - - 550:599) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:52 Hmm, I don't know if the line is blurring. I think the line between the media *presentation* of fact and fiction is blurring, but not our ability to distinguish it. We weren't as upset (excepting ann and a few others, god bless them) because we weren't *there*. - - - - - 550:600) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:53 What made this event exciting, for me anyway, was the fact that there were so many of us experiencing it at the same time, and feeding on each other's excitement. Isn't that the definition of media -- group experiences, more or less simultaneous? - - - - - 550:601) skooob was here 18-JUN-94 0:54 Being from the Midwest working class, I don't share this idea about distance. I think the majority of Americans buy all this stuff as FACT. That's what scares me. I've seen it. - - - - - 550:602) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:55 Hmm you're right skoob. okay, we flippant new yorkers were betting beers over the outcome. - - - - - 550:603) panik, make me panic 18-JUN-94 0:56 the whole coverage of this kinda gives me a sick feeling in my stomach...at around 10:30 wins (or wcbs) had on this random woman from chicago who was just babbling about hwo she loved oj and how he was her hero...it make me sad in a way, frustrated because i realized that people just put these media creations, figures they don't even know, up on these pedestals. other than the reaction the coverage was entirely speculation. i felt like i was staring inside a window or something... and then i realized that this is just an extension of the whole oprah mentality our culture has...voyeurism is the prevailing winds. we look at others' problems to soften the impact of our own? maybe. just look at soap operas... i'm babbling. i know. but this evening has just been _so_ strange, the case has been strange, the way the media has played it out has just been fucking bizarre. it's almost like this was the big payoff for the rest of the week's coverage. - - - - - 550:604) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 0:57 Keep babbling panik. - - - - - 550:605) jneil 18-JUN-94 0:57 I'm sure the movie-of-the-week will be considerably more exciting than tonight's show. All I saw was one long aerial shot of a vehicle driving around and eventually parking. - - - - - 550:606) Twang 18-JUN-94 0:58 Any kind of drama like this is going to be inherently interesting -- we really don't see it every day, the kinds of twists this case took. But this one involved a celebrity, a symbol already full of meaning for us. That's what pushed it over the edge. - - - - - 550:607) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 1:05 i was much more excited by the fact that we were in this multimedia experience than i'd ever be unless i was actually on his front porch with some sampsonite filled with sammiches and ammo for his prolonged showdown. *that* was exciting. that it was out of the blue was exciting. that it was this *icon* was exciting. had all the makings of a great tv movie til the end. Whoever OJ is, he has my sympathies and my suspicions, but only so much as any stranger does. The drama was much bigger for me cos I don't know him. Garbled (who shoulda been here) getting punched had a bigger effect on me than this did. Proximity, i guess. Cos both events were presented to me via echo mainly, and were very dramatic in their unfolding. - - - - - 550:608) OpPhantom 18-JUN-94 1:06 I don't have a TV anywhere near the computer, so had to choose between it and Echo. Just captured this item to read offline later. The tube had my full attention for 3 hours. I watch TV pretty infrequently, so that is significant. Thank Jesus for cable! For a while, every station except PBS was carrying this. I don't think I've been that riveted since the big L.A. earthquake. And since the smaller one before that. And prior to that, the L.A. riots, and hmm, I think I detect a pattern here... - - - - - 550:609) panik, make me panic 18-JUN-94 1:08 it's weird because right now i am majoring in journalsim...and it's evenings like this that make me agonize over whether i should stay in the major. the coverage was inane at best...i think someone earlier mentioned that it looked like a ready-made-for-tv movie? i completely agree. so i wonder if i _can_ make things better, if a can decrease the amount of sensationalism going on...or if i will just become another cog in the machine? or should i just junk it all and become a lit major. (maybe i should, considering i typoed "journalism" in the first line...:) ) the "tabloiding" (for lack of a better word) of tv journalism is a very disturbing trend to me...people are becoming more and more apssive, letting other people's lives happen to them. pretty soon, tv "news" will look more like inside edition (see wbbm in chicago for a glaring example). i think i'm getting off tack here. but _why_ was oj, as a symbol, full of meaning? i guess i'm being all high and idealistic, which i shouldn't be because _i_ was riveted as well. but would this all have occurred if he hadn't won the heisman? would they have given him a 30-mph leeway on one of la's busiest freeways at rush hour? - - - - - 550:610) Cloud in Levis 18-JUN-94 1:09 I was watching the Knicks game when they broke away to show the white van driving through LA. Channel surfing showed that *every* commercial channel was showing it. After watching for 15 minutes or so, I got bored and came to Echo. I don't find the story compelling, and I found the media feeding frenzy disgusting. So I was doing my Echo thing when I came to this item, and found it much more interesting than the television coverage. I understand the fascination, revulsion, compassion, and, with all of that going on, people still wanting to know the score of the Knicks game. But I am slightly disgusted with the blood lust, both here and on television. The actual murders were horrible, but the fascination with them, and the aftermath, is revolting. - - - - - 550:611) OpPhantom 18-JUN-94 1:09 You never would have known it was rush hour. I've never seen the freeways so wide open, except in the middle of the night. - - - - - 550:612) ur-Josh Karpf 18-JUN-94 1:11 Part of my fantasy brilliant-friends commune includes a media room, not unlike the background of a TV news set but REAL, with lots of couches and videos and remotes and online services on tap for everyone to share. "Virtually," this item came as close as I'll ever get to that. - - - - - 550:613) Twang 18-JUN-94 1:15 Any of you who watched the Oscars with me this year know how important sharing huge media experiences is to me. - - - - - 550:614) mariposa heat~wave@echo.com 18-JUN-94 1:23 cynical JH, I prefer home cookin' to media feeding. not so delicate mariposa - - - - - 550:615) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 1:37 Just some thoughts. Probably should be filed under "The Bleeding Obvious" So OJ is like Oedipus for us all. Many of us think he's guilty, just as we know Oedipus is. We watched and communed in catharsis and excitement as we watch his fate unfold. Look at how this was covered. From Day One they have very sexy pictures of his wife. Sort of a morbid "Wouldn't you like to fuck her" sort of thing. Every day there's another article on it, every day another sexy picture, not much said about her 25 year old co-victim. We are to assume they were lovers, I suppose. Adds a little raciness to it, adds to the sex appeal.. Fortunately there's also a history of turmoil and abuse to add to our suspicions and our identification with her. Then OJ goes crazy, they follow with helecopters, interview fans, psychologists, and do everything possible to make this into a drama. Did he do it? Why did he? Did the suicide note (also for us CLUE fans) mean he was guilty? Where's his Mom? How much pain is he in? (They really played up his depression, his "loser OJ" feelings from his suicide note, and his "feeling like HE was the battered spouse". They play down the fact that he might have killed two people partly for legal reasons but because suddenly he is the good guy. A combination of actual events and coverage that makes it a perfect movie. I think there's this agreement going on and I think it's unspoken: They give us our Dyonesian escape, our sacrifice, concentrate on catharsis and pathos and we'll swallow down the advertising, buy the papers, and the People magazines, etc. As long as it resembles fiction as much as possible. As long as it's *interesting*. Hell, we'll even swallow the other shit they spoonfeed us the rest of the time. So anyone who was excited by it, by the multimedia of this experience, is reacting quite naturally considering what this agreement is. Anyone who was more concerned for the reality behind the tragedy has a great capacity for compassion, but isn't playing by the rules. Your People subscruption will be cancelled. - - - - - 550:616) mariposa heat~wave@echo.com 18-JUN-94 1:57 I don't play by "the rules" . Nicest thing said to me this week. - - - - - 550:617) doktor dorje 18-JUN-94 1:58 And just let me say that I would have called the cops or shot the guy were I a neighbor of Kitty Genovese. - - - - - 550:618) Eric A. Hochman 18-JUN-94 3:20 The fact that this items exists and got 617 responses in less than a day gives me: T H E F E A R - - - - - 550:619) DataBass 18-JUN-94 7:32 So that explains why the backup took so long today. - - - - - 550:620) Aurora Borealis 18-JUN-94 9:02 I've just checked out ALL the responses in this item in one fell swoop. I agree that the entire debacle is pathetic. Following the van in its fifty mile trip on I-405 with helicopters looming overhead, and dozens of police cars following, seemed perfectly natural for us to do. It was an action movie played out right before our eyes. Ann, while every post of yours was so concerned that OJ be treated fairly, that OJ not kill himself, that OJ see his mother, AND you were concerned why OJ was more interested in seeing his mother than his children, did you stop and think even ONCE about the two young, innocent people he MURDERED? Jesus. Anyone who can even entertain the possibility of OJ's innocence in this heinous crime after what's transpired must be the singularly most optimistic person on the face of the earth. - - - - - 550:621) Tally ho, Telos! 18-JUN-94 9:57 The only thing that would have made this more complete is if it had happended while Stacy was at Bloomies...... Moralizing is pointless. Panik, stay in J-school. Dorje, your observations are elequent as always, but rely on tropes that IMHO, are no lnger valid. There is no "agreement," no premeditation. That's the amazing thing. The neutral force of technology pushes us on. Why does a dog lick its dick? Cuz it can. Why does the media send up choppers, show allthis stuff live, etc. Cuz it can. We've been on this path since the Renaisance, anyway. There would have been chooppers doing a play-by-play of Christ carrying the cross had they existed. The "spectacle" was a point of debate and discussiion even in Roman times. Indeed, as GreenPig will tell you, Turtullian wrote a tractate on the moral effects of the specacle. The real loser in all this is Don DeLillo. He has been rendered superfluous. - - - - - 550:622) ur-Josh Karpf 18-JUN-94 9:59 Can't wait to read the dry little article that'll be in the Times. - - - - - 550:623) viadyer 18-JUN-94 10:00 Or if you weren't worried about his guilt or innocence I think you have a serious case of misplaced compassion. . . First feel for the dead people, then feel compassion for the dead people's families and friends, than feel compassion for the falsely accused, then feel compasssion for everyone else, then feel compassion for the guilty party. If you think the highway in LA was crazy, think about the Branch Davidian compund that our compassionate attorney general allowed to be reinvaded after 50 days. Twenty kids wound up being torched. People should separate crazy people from society. I'm glad they didn't shoot guns to do it. - - - - - 550:624) Garbled Uplink 18-JUN-94 10:09 So I was in LA last night, partying it up with some of my devil-worshipping buddies, got pretty zonked, started walking back to my hotel room, I like to walk, especially when I'm real zooed. It turned out to be a much longer walk than I thought, though, and I started feeling pretty drowsy. I saw this white Bronco, it was unlocked, so I got in and curled up in the back for a coupla Z's. Talk about yer rude awakenings. - - - - - 550:625) MRPetit - aka Marianne 18-JUN-94 10:26 Viadyer, I disagree. I don't see the need to prioritize compassion or sympathy. It's all just pathetic. I honestly felt sorry for him in the spectacle that was last night. Despite evidence, the man should be presumed innocent till proven guilty, but because of his celebrity status, because of his role as an icon, an idol and the mythical powers and persona anyone in that position automatically assumes, that right was taken away. The totally surreal part about last night was I had just finished watching A PERFECT WORLD, and tuned into OJ. The lines between reality and fantasy, fiction and non-fiction completely crossed and meshed. When my father was killed, we (the kids) were accompanied out of our apartment building by some family friends. To our surprise there were not only police cars and ambulances, but crowds and bright lights. The little personal tragedy of an anonymous family was transformed into something else ... to this day, I don't know what, for other people. There's morbid fascination, and as Telos said ... why does the media do it? Because it can. There's also the fascination in seeing the mighty fall. The issue of status, myth v. hidden realities, etc. etc. etc. The whole thing is just sad. - - - - - 550:626) Ann 18-JUN-94 10:56 >i feel terrible for OJ. i can't imagine not feeling so. there is no >way he has been in control of his emotions and behaviour over the >last few days. i do feel compassion for him. i feel more compassion for >him because he has lost so much, and even more so because it appears that >so many people don't feel compassion for him, and then he has it broadcast >over the media throughout the world. it's awful. i think most people >loose control over the lives for short periods of time occasionallly, but >fortunately and i believe it is just luck, we don't all do things with >such disastrous consequences. i feel compassion for the victims families >too. i don't see that compassion for them should stop compassion for OJ - - - - - 550:627) Aurora Borealis 18-JUN-94 10:56 It's terrible that your father was killed, Marianne. I tend to doubt that you had the same sense of 'fairness' for whoever was responsible for your father's death as you do for OJ. I'm not hard-hearted, but I didn't have one shred of sympathy for OJ last night. I couldn't help but feel terrible sadness for the two lives he destroyed, to say nothing of the mothers and fathers, and all the remaining relatives and friends who'll never see them again. - - - - - 550:628) mariposa ~heat~wave@echo.com 18-JUN-94 11:29 i am amazed at how many people have already judged this man as guilty without knowing all the facts. i feel sorry for everyone involved. guess its a good thing i didn't go berserk this week & stab my boss w/my letter opener. specially if you all were going to be on the jury. - - - - - 550:629) coyote in sheep's clothing 18-JUN-94 12:13 telos - well put. really - you saved me from typing half of what i was going to say. - - - - - 550:630) Tom Lipscomb 18-JUN-94 12:40 I'm with Aurora and Viadyer. The question I'm concerned with is why Nicole Simpson could receive no protection after having had to call the police many times to stop OJ's violent and abusive behavior? Do celebritites get soft treatment that lets them think that THEY are the victims as he obviously did in writing that 'sick" whining letter of innocence? I am assuming he is guilty. In criminal cases, that's the wrong thing to aver and the right way to vote.. - - - - - 550:631) Fruity Squirrel 18-JUN-94 13:06 Tom, re: Nicole Simpson & the police -- Someone (I think it was Al Michaels) was saying that during one of the police excursions to their house b/c of a fight, (translated: he was beating up on her) the cops asked OJ for autographs. Does THAT answer your question? - - - - - 550:632) Fruity Squirrel 18-JUN-94 13:10 By the way, I found it quite cheesy that Rather and Jennings, et al were saying that "remember: he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" -- somewhat akin to their broadcasting of the presidential election: "well, Clinton has almost all of the electoral votes needed to become president, but remember: you can still make a difference by going out and voting now" Uh huh. I wonder where they'll get jurors who haven't been influenced by the media coverage. Some hermits in Death Valley w/o TVs? - - - - - 550:633) Fruity Squirrel 18-JUN-94 13:12 And oh yes, you could also type snr 550 to see just the new posts in this item (for future reference during next live telecast) - - - - - 550:634) Hungry Ghost 18-JUN-94 13:15 Barbara Walters must retire, already. She adds nothing and her voice is so irritating at this point that she triggers the immediate channel flip. - - - - - 550:635) Skyvue 18-JUN-94 13:16 or just "n 550" saves you two keystrokes. - - - - - 550:636) Garbled Uplink 18-JUN-94 13:45 Nobody seemed to worry too much about finding an impartial jury to send Charles Manson to the gas chamber without ever having placed him at the scene of the crime. - - - - - 550:637) Garbled Uplink 18-JUN-94 13:46 David Koresh didn't even get a trial. - - - - - 550:638) Tom Lipscomb 18-JUN-94 13:49 To see a half dozen Branch Davidians get 40 year sentences in the NYT this morning and no sentences or firings for the Justice Dept Gestapo that murdered these folks "because they were tired" according to our AG, is a real travesty of justice. - - - - - 550:639) jneil 18-JUN-94 14:11 I don't remember the Justice Department going in with flamethrowers. Stupid and lazy they may be, but "we didn't start the fire" - - - - - 550:640) Rob Tannenbaum 18-JUN-94 14:19 If this was indeed plotted, it was as a promotional event for Oliver Stone's meta-media gore-fest NATURAL BORN KILLERS. - - - - - 550:642) Neandergal 18-JUN-94 14:27 Excuse my interruption of this thread, but 640 responses in this item in less than a day! Yes, it IS powerful, isn't it Jonathan (author of this item)? - - - - - 550:643) Twang 18-JUN-94 14:32 More impressive, the first 600 or so were posted with 3 hours. This *must* be some kind of record. - - - - - 550:644) Perpetual Dawn 18-JUN-94 14:36 THis item (and the number of responses!) amazes me, because it shows how totally cut off it's possible still to be. If, like me, you only read the Times and listen to NPR, it's possible to miss most of this. I'm just finding out about it now, from reading this. - - - - - 550:645) Twang 18-JUN-94 14:44 I'm interested to know, for those of you who didn't watch the live coverage -- if you read this item and our as-it-happens commentary, to what extent to you feel like you "experienced" the event? What was it like to read what we were typing in the midst of the frenzy? How well does this medium (Echo) communicate experience? Obviously (to those of us posting last night) the medium does well with immediacy -- though I'd like to hear some more comments on that, too. - - - - - 550:646) TomF 18-JUN-94 15:30 PD, #644 would be perfect if it were sarcastic. I flipped through the channels last night, seeing nothing but LIVE FROM LA under the aerial shots, thinking "ecch, another media feeding frenzy". The first 250 responses in this item are like Mystery Science Theatre 3000, where the commentary is much more entertaining than the media material. Maybe that's what Echo does well. - - - - - 550:647) Twang 18-JUN-94 15:33 Good point about MST3K -- it's true. Jaze was Tom Servo. - - - - - 550:649) Aurora Borealis 18-JUN-94 16:40 Charles Manson be damned. If, in fact, OJ *did* murder Nicole and her young friend, he's no better than Manson, and, far as I'm concerned, could share a cell with him. What is all this sympathy for someone just because he's an American icon? Once you commit murder, it matters not if you're the POPE, some derelict who sleeps in a corrugated box, or a celebrated ex-football player on an estate in Brentwood. Bottom line is two people are dead who shouldn't oughta be dead. If you really wanna hear mean-spiritedness, IF OJ murdered them, and I'm 99 44/100% sure he did, he could've blown himself to smithereens in that van last night for all I care... rather than to waste the taxpayer's money on 8 dozen squad cars, detectives, and too much time and attention from the entire LAPD. - - - - - 550:650) Erin a.k.a. EB 18-JUN-94 16:56 Sheesh, I wish I'd logged on last night for this - although it would have broken my intense concentration on every nuance of coverage on 5 channels. I think DA Gil Garcetti's days are numbered. His handling of this case - in which the media kept more a watch on OJ all week than the police did - was totally inept, the work of a star-struck fool. His comments on battered women were admirable, but his actions in the past 5 days do not at all reflect the stated ideas. He treated a guy who he had good reason to suspect was a lying, wife-beating murderer as if he were a responsible individual. - - - - - 550:651) MRPetit - aka Marianne 18-JUN-94 17:04 My god this item is fascinating. First of all, Aurora going back to your post #627, your assumption is completely wrong. I did have the same sense of compassion for the person who killed my father as I do for OJ. And the situation is not indifferent in the sense that it was another family member. But, Ann in her post #626 says it all. He's obviously a tortured human being at this moment, and showing compassion for him does not all negate the compassion and sympathy one feels for the survivng family members. How could you not feel sorry for the children yesterday? All I could think was "gee ... I hope somebody convinces them to go make a puzzle or watch a video, and NOT turn on the TV or radio" . ... because it was on every station. To think, that for a few hours every station (as documented in this item) showed that white bronco going at the speed limit, while speculating as to what was happening inside, is unbelievable. It's somewhat disgusting. And the fact that everyone watched it and was riveted by it says something significant. What, I'm not sure. It is, however, probably related to the same things that let him get off the hook so easily, which is detestable, for spousal abuse and battery. - - - - - 550:652) MRPetit - aka Marianne 18-JUN-94 17:09 BTW, Hungry Ghost you are so right about Barbara Walters! - - - - - 550:653) David A. Ross 18-JUN-94 17:12 I think we've all found the event for the 90's...not exactly a media event, but obviously fueled by live chopper cams and instant psychoanalysts doing the play by play...Dog Day Afternoon meets the Rose Bowl Parade...did the waving crowds lining the 405 FWY make you feel that ours is a great nation, or that we are long gone down the crapper? Best conspiracy theory...the entire eventg was staged by his lawyer to generate a movie of the week AND to ensure that no one in the entire nation could be called for an impartial jury...prediction... OJ will walk...trial impossible Only those in Madison Square garden didn't see the event and here the entire case presented by the DA and the defense... - - - - - 550:654) Aurora Borealis 18-JUN-94 17:19 Interesting. I was completely baffled by the people waiting for his arrival in Brentwood. Not the media, the public. I don't say he wasn't a tortured man last night - AND the day/night he killed Nicole and friend - but any tendency I might've had toward sympathy for him was instantly overruled by sympathy for the truly innocent victims of this debacle. Yes, I felt sorry for his children. I can't imagine seeing my parent in such a predicament. I'd be so humiliated. Amazing how so many years went into this boy from the ghetto gaining the respect and admiration of a nation, and only moments to wipe that all out. What fools we mortals be. - - - - - 550:655) Singer 18-JUN-94 18:06 First, a disclaimer. I did not read this entire Item. Having said that, I am no less fascinated than Jaze said he was near the top of it. Not just because of the amazing Post-Modern Inferno of "man, traced by cellular phone call, racing down highway, me watching it 3000 miles away." But because of the additional layer added by all your furious postings as the event was taking place. I suppose an additional layer would have been if one of the posters had a second puter and line, and was logged onto CIS CB or another real-time service. Although those early posts seem quite real-time to me. THey seem more like an open channel on CIS CB than your typicla ECHO Item. Amazing. - - - - - 550:656) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 18:19 The thing is, the way he was presented last night, it was hard to see him as anything BUT a character in a crummy TV movie. Cutting from SkyCam shot to SkyCam shot, the station ID logo fading in periodically, it lacked nothing but a cheesey soundtrack. It was impossible to see The Man inside the car. He was just some character who had, in a rather unusual move, taken *himself* hostage. How sorry did you feel for Nicole and Goldman when you read about their deaths? They were just another two murder victims, people who you didn't know. A small frisson of intrigue because of who they were? How much time have you spent feeling sorry for the estimated 250,00 Rwandans killed during the last few months? We experience pity and sympathy and compassion in direct relation, I think, to the way in which we are fed it by the media. People experience misery and anguish, *horrendous* misery and anguish, every fucking day. Where should our compassion lie? OJ wasn't fed to us like that so we could feel compassion for his plight. This was EXCITING TV, TV delivering on its potential, ushering us into the panopticon, where we can see everything in the world exactly as it happens. Why did you watch it last night, I mean why keep on watching a tracking shot of a white car on a highway, kept pretty well in the center of the frame, moving at the speed limit? I think that it is part of the conditioning nature of television that we are trained to expect a climax, a crisis in the action, at approximately 13 minute intervals before we hit the commercial break. We were lead along expecting a thrilling resolution, and the whimper that was the invisible surrender was pretty disappointing. For me, the most disgusting thing I have seen recently was this morning's New York Newsday headline: THE OJ SIMPSON TRADGEDY. Those filthy, disingenuous fucking dogs - may they all die roaring in Hell's eternal flames for want of a devil to piss on them, hypocritical sanctimonious bastards that they are. - - - - - 550:657) Tally ho, Telos! 18-JUN-94 18:32 Twang: I have no TV or radio (My motto: No television No Mircowave No Therapist). I headed out to the gym last night around 6:30. When before I left, the sucide note reading was on one of the TVs you can watch while cycling. Then I went to a party--people were watching the game, but also the OJ chase. which is an overlong way opf saying I caught it but only in background. It didn't register with me that something sulturally significant was going on till I read this item. I fould it wonderfully evokative and it made me feel like I was "there." I do feel this was a special event in our cyber history, and frankly I'm a little jealous that I missed it real-time. And last week I missed Garbled getting punched. Sheesh. - - - - - 550:658) jneil 18-JUN-94 18:45 Jeez, you guys must be kicking yourselves for missing the glory days of the WAR conference during the Iraq/Kuwait media blitz, when this type of Pomo Inferno was played out here on a much larger scale. - - - - - 550:659) Tom Lipscomb 18-JUN-94 18:58 Oh for the good old days when we were young and so unhappy... - - - - - 550:660) Ann 18-JUN-94 19:06 i'm surprised that you used the word humiliating to describe OJ' experience last night Aurora. i don't think he humiliated himself at all. he lost control. . it was a very unfortunate and sad event. the whole thing has been tragic. nothing he has done has wiped out the respect and admiration that he had. respect and admiration are now part of his past life experience. he now has a terrible future ahead of him. he knows his future now will be awful, and he knows he can't turn the clock back which makes it all the worse. i do feel compassion for him. i guess in some ways i feel more compassion for him than i do for people dying in wars around the world. probably because his behaviour is behaviour that i can see anyone of us exhibitting. i can't imagine myself being stuck in a war zone, or going hungry from starvation, or being expelled from my country, though those are far worse events than OJ experienced. i can however see myself losing control one day and not being responsible for my actions and not acting rationally. i hope when that happens, that others won't consider that i have humiliated myself. - - - - - 550:661) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 19:19 I don't know, Ann - while it may not be exile, or starvation, or war, brutally murdering two people and then threatening to commit suicide while on the lam in a low speed car chase witnessed by 100 million people *could* be deemed somewhat trying. - - - - - 550:662) Vantage, jAe 18-JUN-94 19:56 I still believe OJ is not guilty of murder... if that makes me overly optimistic, so be it... until i hear all the evidence the police supposedly gathered, he shall remain innocent. (there are rumors that a glove wasn't found at oj's house, and rumblings about all those police leaks that occurred). - - - - - 550:663) Ann 18-JUN-94 19:59 yes i too have heard that the glove story is nonsence. - - - - - 550:664) Jonathan Hayes 18-JUN-94 20:06 I imagine that he probably is guilty, but, of course, have no way of knowing that. - - - - - 550:665) Garbled Uplink 18-JUN-94 20:14 I smell cocaine in this story. - - - - - 550:666) David Yamada 18-JUN-94 20:20 This could be very simple or very complicated. I think I'll just wait to see what unfolds. Heh, the LAPD acquitting themselves like champs once more. - - - - - 550:667) Neandergal 18-JUN-94 20:37 This is more compelling or at least differently from Kuwait because there's a Guy we can focus on. Kuwait/Iraq was a video game. - - - - - 550:668) Driftwood 18-JUN-94 21:03 It has yet to be mentioned, so I will... Another level of postmodernity is added in all the posts talking about the posts talking about witnessing the tragedy... And we spiral ever upward... - - - - - 550:669) xue 18-JUN-94 21:52 I don't believe Al Cowlings will be prosecuted. If it weren't for Al Cowlings, OJ would be dead. Police are *pissed" at him because one does not defy the LAPD here in LA. Disrespect of the police is most provocative crime here, not murder. No jury would convict Al. he told the police where they were going; he slowed down so they could clear the onramps and traffi